Men puked. This means that someone must literally commit the act of the crime, and they must also be in a state of mind to consciously and willfully intend to do so, in order to be found guilty. WAS ALBERT DESALVO REALLY THE BOSTON STRANGLER? He bought that knife and he bought those plastic bags well in advance. They relied on expert opinions from forensic psychiatric witnesses who were clinically detached from the scene. Hear about the horrific bond between two of the most high-profile Canadian killings: the Brentwood Five massacre and the Greyhound bus beheading. And its about proper public protection. Li is a ticking time bomb. It does remain existentially true that Vince Li could go off his medication. But the justice system is treating him like he's cured: Robyn Urback | CBC News Loaded. Li was born on April 30, 1968 in Dandong, China. WAS AMANDA KNOX REALLY INNOCENT OF KILLING MEREDITH KERCHER? Li might be a small player in the world of murders but hes not unusual. This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below. But today Li is closer to being a free man, with no conditions. He described Tims gruesome murder detail-by-detail to his forensic psychiatric team just as a serial killer confesses to detectives. Thats when hellish horror happened. The 2008 murder of 22-year-old Tim McLean, attacked as he slept in his seat on a bus about an hour outside of his home town of Winnipeg, was one of the most ultra-violent killings imaginable. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board. 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The police. Police and emergency responders arrived in mass. SIMPSON GOT OFF MURDER, STEPHEN KINGS SURPRISINGLY SIMPLE SECRET TO SUCCESS, BEYOND THE LIMITS NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME SERIES BOOK RELEASE, HYBRISTOPHILIA THE BONNIE & CLYDE SYNDROME. Usually this channel is about serial killer interviews but I stumbled upon this one and thought it would fit in well as it showns an outside perspective while killers usually just bask and glorify their deeds. Success in mental health is measured by restoring someone to a healthy state and maintaining it. In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. Like, how could someone kill and dismember a stranger on a bus be in their right mind? It was at this time I interviewed Carol de Delley, McLeans mother, at her home on the outskirts of Winnipeg. In Li's case, according to the ManitobaCriminal Code Review Board, on the advice of Li's psychiatrist and other mental health specialists, his man in the mask is gone for now. Press J to jump to the feed. Hes not accountable for his crime in any way. He has no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li, a stranger who was sitting beside him, suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. Li held minimal paying jobs at Walmart and did paper deliveries. On February 16, 2011, two of the passengers present during the attack filed a lawsuit against Vince Li, Greyhound, the RCMP, and the Government of Canada for being exposed to the horrific beheading. She told me of how she was left to her nightmares and, while Li was being treated with kid gloves, she was abandoned to seek therapy on her own to deal with her emotional trauma. Part Jeffrey Dahmer. 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In 1999, however, the Supreme of Canada ruled that people found not criminally responsible for their crimes must be given an absolute discharge without restrictions or conditions if they no longer pose a significant threat to the public. Finally, on February 10, 2017 Vince Lee was declared completely stable and reliable to function on his own, including regulating his own medseven though all psychiatrists agree schizophrenia is an incurable mental disease. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS IT JUSTICE OR MURDER? I also served as a marksman (sniper) on SAS-trained Emergency Response Teams, so Ive got a bit of experience around life and death. They even helped Li change his name to Will Baker. God made me do it, Li said. I too used to think of Vince Li in an extremely negative light. I believe he needs to be in an institution that addresses those needs. The flaw in the criminal legal (not justice) system is theres no respect for victims like Tim McLean and his family. Aghast, they stared as Li sawed and hacked. But when I realized just how deeply my brother was suffering from schizophrenia, I was forced to confront and learn about the illness. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. On March 5, 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible for the murder and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie, Man. The Criminal Code Review Board said Vince Li's treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into the central Canadian city of Selkirk, Manitoba. Vince Li was undiagnosed before he beheaded Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus eight and a half years ago, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. There is a reason why offenders deemed not criminally responsible are sent for treatment, not imprisonment, and why they are eventually released: if we accept that an illness compelled someone to commit a crime the man in the mask, pressing a gun into his ribs it is unjust to keep that person confined when that illness is under control. Then waking up to someone stabbing you repeatedly, for no reason. Vince Li carried on. Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Last May, Matthew de Grood was found not criminally responsible (NCR), meaning he was found to have been mentally ill at the time of the Brentwood stabbings. Vince Li was sitting near the front. IS SCIENTOLOGY A CRAZY CULT AND BIG FAT GLOBAL SCAM? Li was fired in Edmonton after a strange interpersonal altercation. Vince Li, the man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading a man on a Greyhound bus in 2008, has been granted an absolute discharge. May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM DID VINCENT VAN GOGH REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? As the bus stopped and horrified passengers fled, Li carved up McLean's body and ate portions of it. Get browser notifications for breaking news, live events, and exclusive reporting. Vince Li, seen here outside the Portage la Prairie provincial building last fall, goes on trial for the beheading death of Tim McLean. On July 30, 2008, Vince Li, a 41-year-old man suffering from untreated schizophrenia, stabbed, decapitated, dismembered and cannibalized his seatmate aboard a Greyhound bus, 18 kilometres west of . When someone is afflicted by schizophrenia, one of the main, and most dangerous, symptoms they suffer from is psychosis, a serious but treatable medical condition that affects the mind. Even the judge. There were plenty. Vince Li moved through the justice system quickly. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. (2013). A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. WERE YOUA HUMAN BEINGDESIGNED BY A HIGHER INTELLIGENCE? McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. Thats plain wrong. He blocked the door but police were miles away. A few years ago, a psychiatrist at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre near Winnipeg seeking limited freedom for Li set the wheels in motion by testifying that Li had a 0.8% chance of reoffending. According to Summerville's transcript, Li recognizes that people fear him. Li, who suffers from a severe form of schizophrenia, was found not criminally responsible for his macabre actions, and sent off to a maximum-security mental health facility presumably for life, but has since gained incremental freedom and started living alone last year, although he's still being monitored. 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When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. I am not at risk for anybody. Without warning, Vince Li made a break for freedom. Throughout the trial, Li only asked to be killed several times. On top of that, the chances of being killed by someone who has been deemed not criminally responsible are lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. Baker was found not criminally responsible of the 2008 gruesome killing of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound Bus. But could it be prevented? July 30, 2018 marks 10 years since the infamous Greyhound bus attack in Manitoba, where one passenger was killed. Li pleaded the insanity defense, with his psychiatrist claiming that God told him McLean was evil. By submitting a comment, you accept that CBC has the right to reproduce and publish that comment in whole or in part, in any manner CBC chooses. The flaws disrespect protection of society. McLean barely noticed, continuing to sleep with his head against the window, and his headphones on. The Schizophrenia Society of Canada released an interview with Vince Li on Tuesday, saying Li's story needs to be told to "add a human touch to a horrible tragedy." The interview was. Some havent recovered today. I'm trying to come up with any reasonable argument that justifies any blame to go to Greyhound. That includes emergency personnel and professional people who were present and exposed to this trauma. (AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in western Canada four years ago thought he was attacking an alien, according to a mental health advocate who interviewed him. HOW DO YOU GET INTO CSI, THE CRIME LAB, OR THE MORGUE? Around 8:30 pm, Greyhound 1170 was an hour west of Winnipeg on the TransCanada Highway. As the bus pulled out of the stop, he moved to the back, to the vacant seat next to McLean. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-discharge-1.3977278. ELVIS PRESLEY WHAT REALLY KILLED THE KING OF ROCK N ROLL? Greyhound cannibal gets to leave mental hospitalJudge: Beheading suspect not responsibleBus beheading suspect pleads insanity. Looking back, there were strands of fate bringing these two men together on that Greyhound bus. Vince Li, or whatever the fuck he's changed his name to, deserves at the very least, a lifetime of professional supervision. This video answers the question: Can I discuss the mental health and personality factors that may be at work in the Tim McLean murder case? Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. The killing of Tim McLean occurred on the evening of July 30, 2008. He settled in Winnipeg and worked in Edmonton. We reserve the right to close comments at any time. Part Norman Bates. Since Li only killed one victim, the term "M.O" is somewhat misused. The police recovered most of McLean's remains, some of which were later found in Li's pockets. Its important to understand the difference between Vince Li suffering from psychosis and Vince Li. And its just as important to understand the difference between Vince Li before July 30, 2008, who didnt understand his illness, and Vince Li now, who has all the reason in the world to understand, and treat, his illness. But the checks and balances that once existed for him (from a legal perspective, at least) disappeared the moment he was granted an absolute discharge. The absolute discharge does make sense from a legal perspective: the review board is required to choose the "disposition that is the least onerous and least restrictive to the accused." A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. Li opened Tims chest and tore at his organs. The prosecutor. Vince Weiguang Li stabbed Tim McLean 50 or 60 times before cutting off his head A man who beheaded a fellow bus passenger in Canada in 2008 has spoken out for the first time, saying he believed he . Then theres respect and support of victims. Real Criminals Referenced in Season Thirteen. A Saskatchewan official says a beheading on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba 10 years ago was the beginning of a steep decline in bus ridership in his province. An Ontario father has become an advocate for people designated "not criminally responsible" after his daughter was nearly stabbed to death in 1999. Li wanted a victim and Tim McLean was it. She previously worked as a columnist and editorial board member at the National Post. [1] [2] Incident [ edit] It was left to the system to deal with Vince Li. They tried to negotiate with the crazy man holding a knife. Maybe he moonlights as an actuary. Its really about victim and family rights as opposed to the killers. TRUE STORY HOW A GHOST CONVICTED A MURDERER, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON ACCIDENTS. He was found not criminally responsible. he is open to voluntarily having his medication monitored, lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. On July 30, 2008, when Vince Li killed and dismembered Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus, he truly believed that he had just saved the world; that he had been sent by God to kill a demon that threatened not only his own life but also the lives of others. Vince Li, the man who beheaded Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008, was given an unconditional discharge resulting in a call for more education on mental health issues. When he realized the true magnitude of the horrible and grotesque things he had done, because his brain had lied to him. Baker was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for killing Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008. Li was found not criminally responsible for the July 2008 death of Tim McLean, a young carnival worker who was sitting next to Li on a bus near Portage la Prairie. Blood-dripping knife in one hand. Tim McLean, 22. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. University of Winnipeg and downtown community newspaper. "If he's not responsible for his own behavior, then the state, the government, must step in and be responsible for him for the rest of (his) natural life.". Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric treatment, and his team of doctors and mental health workers have stated that he is a model patient. They were quick to form a conclusion without exploring the entire circumstances in a full and open trial. Time does not erase or sanitize those facts. But Li came prepared for this slaughter. 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