But it is Olusoga who keeps insisting that its the Brits who are uniquely responsible.. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. (Im just presenting the case here in reality there are obviously some big questions about the logic of Nuremberg etc, just as there are questions about how judges in Common Law occasionally summon up things as if they had always and forever been a part of the Law, albeit previously unrecorded, rather than something the judge just made up.). So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. That involved killing the adult men. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? BZZZTT!! Or they may discover how little black lives do matter. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. The historian tells Michael Segalov about getting up early, reading George Orwell, taking his dog George for a walk, playing his guitar I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. Probably few other societies had as much chance of buying freedom. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. Britain was happy to force the Bevan Boys down coal mines. To me personally, this is the thing. It may not. In fact he is a biased political campaigner working to attack and do as much damage to Britain as he can. They arent going to concede anything. Then the adult men became profitable too. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? Africans had a demand for female slaves. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing. Read about our approach to external linking. The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. He talks about slavery because YOU care. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Britain should be proud of helping to stop (African to America) slavery, like the Republican Party and unlike the Democrats. But Ill tell you what, slavery and human sacrifice, still awful. Support 100 years of independent journalism. He is the undisputed King of the Internet Pedants and Lord of the Unnecessary Snark. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. Very little sugar on the mainland. Nobody will stop you, honest. This is indeed tu quoque. Thats before you get on to the Khoisan and the Zulus, the Carthaginians and Romans, the Vikings versus pretty much anyone else who lived within raiding distance, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant. Note, hes a renowned economist. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. My family did nothing. (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) He seems to be an interesting social historian and his TV series on the occupants of a single house over the centuries is very good, although I suspect a lot of the research is done by others, I look forward to an even handed expose of the entire slave trade from birth to capture, imprisonment, sale, transportation, arrival, sale, treatment and life while enslaved as well as the UKs role in stopping it, But it wont be on the BBC, and he wont be writing it I fear, @smfs Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. Or anything to do with slavery. Everyone was. Grew up in Quedlinburg. Do I feel like I had anything to do it? Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. But maybe they did not. It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. Guess wed have to print it. One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. Under English law, damages are assessed as being that amount needed to restore them to the position they would have been, had the event claimed against not occurred. many African tribes kept slaves. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. . They are pretty much airbrushed from history, whereas the transatlantic slave trade seems to be wall-to-wall on our TV screens and in our school textbooks. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice But you need a different approach if you dont think great-grandkids of the Confederacy are still fair game.) And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. Shouldnt matter whether some long-dead relative fought long ago for or against (not at all to disparage your ancestors GC, who all sound very sound) in terms of whether somethings your fault. No doubt life expectancy of a slave was shorter than that for a free man. Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. Hundreds of White women raped every day. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Sloane witnessed and later became part of a system ruled by terror. ), Who is fundamentally right about reparations for slavery? (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. That is a strawman argument at its best. They organised a boycott of sugar, produced more petitions and hosted meetings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestmannaeyjar, Slavery in England definitely continued for a couple of generations after the Norman Conquest and Bristol was a major export centre, though there were attempts to ban the export trade in particular (https://www.historytoday.com/archive/normans-and-slavery-breaking-bonds has some interesting quotes from the time). I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. David Olusoga, 49, is a television presenter and historian. Davids all done. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. As would Beyonce. It does not take people long to starve to death and slaves were paid for. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. Instead the racket still goes on with endless boatloads of illegals swarming into Europe. Societies have had a long history of treating minorities harshly. Your email address will not be published. As a nation, we still have only a dim understanding of the slave system that funded Sloanes collecting. Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. Obama had none. Flyover Americans arent going to take it. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. Young people - such as Lavinya Stennett who founded the Black Curriculum campaign group - have been calling for change. And Britain worked for the whole of the 19th century to put down slavery in Africa. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. Youre right, MBE. Women such as Elizabeth Heyrick continued to lobby for the abolition of slavery. We do not know for sure. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. Very often shaped by the political, technological and economic forces of the times if the Western way of life had remained utterly dependent on Roman-style slavery, Im not sure wed ever have abolished it even amongst our own inhabitants. The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. As it happens, I dont believe in sins of the fathers passing down the generations. Why are these characterizations needed? Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. Peter Olusoga. I imagine few do. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. "I have," he admits, "a habit of . For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. Sure. His rhetoric is to inflame the reader. David Olusoga, introduces his book Black and British, an exploration of the relationship between the British Isles and the people of Africa. The rest apart from Ireland (17, partly due to influence of aforementioned Patrick) set it younger. He adds: "The reason Equiano's story, Equiano's voice, is not as well known as it should be, is because we have a long habit in this country of not wanting to talk about slavery. My great, great, grandfather was one. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. Not a big fan of the odd human sacrifice Im afraid, even though I might just be of very partial Scandinavian descent myself. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Good point, I wonder how he squares the obviously comfortable living he has writing, opining and broadcasting about slavery with his principles. David will . Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. Arguably wrong in a crimes against humanity way (similar language of natural justice and universal morality indeed being used by the abolitionists and the UK itself when it tried to enforce a ban on the trade) that made it inherently illegal even when governments tried to put it on a legal footing. By David Dabydeen (Photo By Alamy) Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. If you think 14 is the wrong decision for the boundary, a better argument is a rebuttal of the strongest case for 14 rather than a rebuttal of a straw-man version of it. What do you think their stongest argument is? If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. Maybe someone should advise him to button his lip before he stirs up something he may not like. (and white people was pretty much the British). Anti-black riots broke out in Liverpool that year. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. Various among the societies that were agglomerated into Nigeria were more or less involved in that slave trade from the supply end. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. Not to say it was nice.. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. John Mandeville, whose travelogue (circa 1356) was one of the most widely translated books of the later Middle Ages, presented Africans as naked savages living amid heaps of gold to which they gave no value. During the Second World War, thousands of black American soldiers stationed in Britain were befriended by white Britons who opposed efforts by the white military to segregate them. And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. Thousands of petitions were presented to parliament. It is a form of self-loathing. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. The details of difference are fairly minor. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. They did not care much for adult males. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. He was Chairman of Moneysupermarket Group from 2014 to 2019 and Senior Independent Director of Close Brothers Group plc from 2006 to 2014 and is a Past President of the Chartered Management Institute. Between that night at the opera and 1807, nearly 800,000 Africans were enslaved. . Anglo-Saxons had slaves. . Macmillan, 624pp, 25, David Dabydeen is a novelist, broadcaster, academic and co-editor of The Oxford Companion to Black British History (Oxford University Press), This article appears in the 16 Aug 2017 issue of the New Statesman, Trump goes nuclear, Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. There is an alternative argument that it is their ancestors who were wronged hence deserve compensation and as descendants theyre entitled to an inherited share (so their portion depends on how many slaves at what position in the family tree) plus interest, regardless of how well theyre doing now. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. In the USA? ", TV historian rejects 'nonsense' over keeping statues, What Black History Month is - and why it matters. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. David Olusoga He has discovered new and exciting research materials in African archives, among them the Register of Liberated Africans in Sierra Leone, which list names, bodily details, ethnicity and origins, thus putting a human face on people otherwise treated as fodder and statistics. 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If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. And the Domesday Book even counts slaves as a separate category below the unfree peasants (villans, bordars and cottars) those owed service to a Lord who could order them to move about and could say yes or no to their proposed marriages, but unlike slaves he didnt own them, couldnt sell them, and they had property rights to at least a smallholding. We pretend we do not like slavery but actually we do not like slave traders. Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. 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